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Post  ZEUS10 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:49 pm

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Very true, the Albanians have absolutely NO connection to the ancient Illyrians based on latest research, we can most probably find their origin somewhere in the Caucasus.
Some facts to consider:
a)The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine, (not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent.
b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo-European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters until 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Romanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria
h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of communicating with each other.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)
i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.
j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Geography can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html
k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.
l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.
m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.
n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.
o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
q) The most interesting fact is our knowledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingdom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercenaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.
A fact to support this except the texts themselves is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.
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The charge against Albanians.

Post  ZEUS10 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:51 pm

Steeped in animal, elementel and fantastic imagination the above naïve, hateful article doesn’t really deserve any special attention. Full of nonsenses, microscopic arguments this article creates an idea that written by a former sheep farm custodian, is trying to flip over all the overhelming historical-lingustic evidences in regards of Albanians history and culture. This “album” of many altered truths is created by a diabolic mind, but at the same time champion on mediocrity.
The entire article is a pathetic praising for the Serbian culture and a charge for the Albanian one. But, the only charge against Albanian culture is being Albanian.
The denial logic used by this article-writer former shepherd, is trying to convince the entire World that “””Albanian Academy of Science and Albanology””” has built forgeries for the last 200 years which were imposed to the World(!!!), disregarding the fact that our presumed institution of propaganda is new, apathic and until few decades ago was working upon Western scholars thesis. Albanians never had a sophisticated propaganda instrument; their voice was not taken seriosly inside the important academic institutions around the World. Therefore the aliby that Serbian propaganda tries to spread for itself is pathetic and shameless.
The truth is that Serbian propaganda has been 1000 times more efective compared to all Albanian authoritatives and non in regards of Albanian history. Serbian propaganda is exeptional on building myths, altering truth, and imposing this altered truth to the foreigners, this also based on favorable political situation of the Serbian state.
In their profitable game this propaganda comes up with all kind of wild theories which need to be trashed. So let’s go in the details.
First of all this article doesn’t show sources for its voluminous quantity of information. Being so every academical institution will automatically disregard it, but this time we will work on it to show to the opinion how unfounded, stupid, ridicilous a mind sounds when its only interest is to spread nacionalistic hate against other races and cultures.

First claim
a) The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine, (not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent.
Response
That’s false, here it is a document belonging to the early 11 century:
1000-1018
Fragment on the Origins of Nations
What is the earliest written reference to the Albanians is that to be found in an old Bulgarian text compiled around the beginning of the eleventh century. It was discovered in a Serbian manuscript dated 1628 and was first published in 1934 by Radoslav Grujic. This fragment of a legend from the time of Tsar Samuel endeavours, in a catechismal 'question and answer' form, to explain the origins of peoples and languages. It divides the world into seventy-two languages and three religious categories: Orthodox, half-believers (i.e. non-Orthodox Christians) and non-believers. Though the Serbs go unmentioned, the Albanians, still a small conglomeration of nomadic mountain tribes at this time, find their place among the nations of half-believers. If we accept the dating of Grujic, which is based primarily upon the contents of the text as a whole, this would be the earliest written document referring to the Albanians as a people or language group.
Extract from: Radoslav Grujic: Legenda iz vremena Cara Samuila o poreklu naroda. in: Glasnik skopskog naucnog drustva, Skopje, 13 (1934), p. 198 200. Translated from the Old Church Slavonic by Robert Elsie

It can be seen that there are various languages on earth. Of them, there are five Orthodox languages: Bulgarian, Greek, Syrian, Iberian (Georgian) and Russian. Three of these have Orthodox alphabets: Greek, Bulgarian and Iberian. There are twelve languages of half-believers: Alamanians, Franks, Magyars (Hungarians), Indians, Jacobites, Armenians, Saxons, Lechs (Poles), Arbanasi (Albanians), Croatians, Hizi, Germans.
The fact the Serbs go unmentioned is significant and it’s not a coincidence, because the Serbs are not really a nation, their nobles families were simply noble Albanians families while the Serbian language was created for liturgic and aristocratic purposes.
As the matter of facts, the former national name of Albanians was Arbôn(geg) Arber(tosk),and we find it in this book


It Correspondes exactly with the name of the people in the same place Dyrracium,
In the 2nd century BC, the History of the World written by Polybius, mentions a city named Arbon in present day central Albania. The people who lived there were called Arbanios and Arbanitai.
Of the Illyrian troops engaged in blockading Issa, those that belonged to Pharos were left unharmed, as a favour to Demetrius; while all the rest scattered and fled to Arbon. Teuta herself, with a very few attendants, escaped to Rhizon, a small town very strongly fortified, and situated on the river of the same name. Having accomplished all this, and having placed the greater part of Illyria under Demetrius, and invested him with a wide dominion, the Consuls retired to Epidamnus with their fleet and army.
. [14] ἐκυρίευσαν δὲ καὶ λέμβων εἴκοσι τῶν ἀποκομιζόντων τὴν ἐκ τῆς χώρας ὠφέλειαν. [15] τῶν δὲ πολιορκούντων τὴν Ἴσσαν οἱ μὲν ἐν τῇ Φάρῳ διὰ τὸν Δημήτριον ἀβλαβεῖς ἔμειναν, οἱ δ' ἄλλοι πάντες ἔφυγον εἰς τὸν Ἄρβωνα σκεδασθέντες. [16] ἡ δὲ Τεύτα πάνυ μετ' ὀλίγων εἰς τὸν Ῥίζονα διεσώθη, πολισμάτιον εὖ πρὸς ὀχυρότητα κατεσκευασμένον, ἀνακεχωρηκὸς μὲν ἀπὸ τῆς θαλάττης, ἐπ' αὐτῷ δὲ κείμενον τῷ Ῥίζονι ποταμῷ. [17] ταῦτα δὲ πράξαντες καὶ τῷ Δημητρίῳ τοὺς πλείστους ὑποτάξαντες τῶν Ἰλλυριῶν καὶ μεγάλην αὐτῷ περιθέντες δυναστείαν ἀνεχώρησαν εἰς τὴν Ἐπίδαμνον ἅμα τῷ στόλῳ καὶ τῇ πεζικῇ δυνάμει.
And after that few hundreds years later it’s another prestigious historian Ptolemy, who gives the same name Ἄρβωνα and location on his map.

Claim 2
b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Response
Albanian has been fully proven to be IE language, with the specific having paleobalkan roots, and the altered truth that nobody hasn’t study Caucasus languages has nothing to do with Albanian language because the linguists followed rigorous criterias when they built the IE languages tree.
Claim 3
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo-European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
Response
This claim comes from someone whose profanity in linguistics is clearly evident. In one sentence he contradict himself several times, but the worst of all claiming that Albanian has borrowed 80 % of its dictionary from the IE languages and those are integrated as adstratum in an altaic language structure makes no sense at all.
To prove that he brings as an argument some Albanian suffixes (which telling the truth are present in many IE languages and not only in Albanian) forgeting or simply not knowing that the suffixes are of third hand importance on concluding someone language origin.
Let’s trash once for all his “”argument”:
Albanian ______________English
Hungarez-----------------Hungarian
Bullgar--------------------Bulgarian
Khazarian-----------------Khasarian
Ilirian----------------------Illyrian
Is English an Altaic language? I don’t think so.
When it comes to phonology his ignorance is tremendous. He equavalents the phoneme ch to sh, let alone the fact that he truly proves not having minimal knowledge about Albanian language when he says : ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA.
No my dear fellow ALBANIA=ARBNIA or Shqipëria or Arbëria, and we call ourselves Arbër
Claim 4
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters until 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
Response
This stupid claim, I will trash with 2 pictures(I could bring thousands of them) belonging to 2 books written in Albanian respectivaly in 1821 and the other 29. December. 1860:



Claim 4
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Romanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
Response
First, you don’t know if these are borrowing or not
Second, in case they are, you don’t know who borrowed from whom
Third, what do you know about Illyrian, and if you have in mind the Messapian you will get the answer in the following responses.
Claim 5
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
Response
Another unfounded claim. No examples, no arguments why the borrowing is one way and not the other way.
At least 90% of maritime dictionary in Albanian is original.
Claim 6
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
Response
Albanian didn’t need to borrow from Ancient Greek because, this last one is just an old Albanian dialect, and you can’t borrow from yourself. Just visit Arbenia.com to find hundreds of similar words between A. Greek and Albanian and not just few like you are primitively lying or simply not knowing.


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Re: The Serbian forgeries

Post  ZEUS10 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:53 pm

Claim 7
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Response
The place-names are a minimal indication in regards of someone ethnicity, but I will stop a little bit on the first one:
Arnaut is a Turkish word, it’s the name by which the Turkish call Albanians. It’s a corruption of the word Arvanite(Greek: Αρβανίτες, Arvanitika: Arbëreshë or Αρbερεσε) which by itself is a corruption of the Albanian word Arban-it since b is pronounced v (like vital) sound in Greek language. So it doesn't have relation at all with what you claim.Therefore your so called evidences are simply some other trash.
Claim 8
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Response
Your naïve babling here, proves another time that your ignorance about Albanian language, let alone making a comparative linguistic analise.
Claim 9
h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of communicating with each other.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)
Response
As the matter of fact judging from the Messapic inscription, we do have a total correspondance of the words, between Albanian and Messapic. So you are boumeranging yourself.



Claim 10
The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.
Response
What do you know about Albanian sound change laws?
Aulona my friend had been considered a Greek word Aulon (Greek: Αὐλῶν Aulôn) and not a Latin one and it’s a word at least 2500 years old. As the matter of fact it correspondes entirely to the Albanian word Vlona (geg) and Vlora (tosk) since in Greek it is pronounced A-vlona. It derives from the Albanian word vlon which means boil and this city is one of the warmest in Europe where the temperature hardly goes below zero.
Claim 11
j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Geography can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html
Response
This is the most shameless claim which doesn’t deserve any answer at all. Look at the Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World, (ISBN 0-691-03169-X)
Claim 12
There is NO MEMORY of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.

Response
There is a lot to everyone who doesn’t want to close the eyes.
Claim 13
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.
Response
This dictionary undeniably proves that Albanians are the Ancient Epirotes, and by that time the name ARBEN was in use randomly, and our Homeland has been called by us Arbeni :

Claim 14
The most interesting fact is our knowledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingdom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.
Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercenaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.

Response
What facts? What sources? What evidences?
Nothing at all. Just a pathetic made up story, to brainwash the common Serbian people, to fill them with hatress agaist Albanian, a mission which will result on damaging own Serbs interests and will discreditate them in the vaste opinion.
A fact to support this except the texts themselves is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background
The Byzantine Empire, is the Roman Empire on the East. It descended this symbol from Ancient Romans who were worshiping Jupiter or Zeus. The eagle is the symbol of Zeus and two heads indicates east and west acording to very old tradition:
Zeus with the lightings---------------------------Albanian Eagle with the lightings

Zeus released two eagles from opposite ends of the earth, one from the east and one from the west, and the precise spot where they met, was in Delphi
It's easy to notice that Albanian symbols, come from a very old time, and not just late medieval, like you would like to be.
Together with two horned (helmet of Scanderbeg) symbol the twoheaded eagle symbol goes back in the prehistoric times, when the culture of the Albanians ancestors was dominating upon Mediteranien and probably the entire Europian Continent.


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Re: The Serbian forgeries

Post  1bilderberg on Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:57 pm

I would like to add as a response about the ridiculous claim nr. 14:
1) which is this arab word that corresponds to "those who have not returned"?? So we can grab an arab dictionary to see how true is this idiotcy!!
2) The Arabs weren't in the Caucasus by the 8th century. How did they manage to transport these "albanian"people from there? By ship or camel?
Albanians turn out not to have become majority muslim until the 17th century. during the early centuries of ottoman rule they were a focus of strong christian resistance. Rather strange for a people allegedly transported there by muslim arabs. Shocked Albanian islam contains a strong bektashi element, an order of anatolian turkish, not arab origin.
What is reffered to turns out to be a tosk speaking colony in sicily and calabria, apparently they fled there during the ottoman era (not the other way round) especially since albanians were shepherds, not soldiers!!

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Re: The Serbian forgeries

Post  ZEUS10 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:07 pm

1bilderberg wrote:I would like to add as a response about the ridiculous claim nr. 14:
1) which is this arab word that corresponds to "those who have not returned"?? So we can grab an arab dictionary to see how true is this idiotcy!!

Don't waste your time, I already checked the verb return: إنعطاف
The guy just made up some stories to put us down.

2) The Arabs weren't in the Caucasus by the 8th century. How did they manage to transport these "albanian"people from there? By ship or camel?
Albanians turn out not to have become majority muslim until the 17th century. during the early centuries of ottoman rule they were a focus of strong christian resistance. Rather strange for a people allegedly transported there by muslim arabs. Shocked Albanian islam contains a strong bektashi element, an order of anatolian turkish, not arab origin.
What is reffered to turns out to be a tosk speaking colony in sicily and calabria, apparently they fled there during the ottoman era (not the other way round) especially since albanians were shepherds, not soldiers!!

No, they were used teleferic from Caucasus to Sicily Smile .


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Re: The Serbian forgeries

Post  Leka on Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:51 pm

I'd like to know what do these words mean in Chechen language if anyone has information? and also are these Chechen words or are they borrowed words ?


Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skur


Te them te drejten nqoftese Shiqptare flen ato je qe do tja mbushin mendjen shoqerise se digjeneruar Perendimore, por adhe vete Shqiptareve.

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Re: The Serbian forgeries

Post  Socio on Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:06 am

I would like just to add one more response to claim 13

Claim 13
p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.

Dictionaries that contain small number of words do not prove that the language used in them is not developed. On the contrary this only proves that those dictionaries are not complete ones.
Languages are a spoken medium, not a written one. Words are not things found in dictionaries. If words were the things found in dictionaries, the majority of the world's languages would have no words today (only less than 10% of the world's languages are written ones)
Moreover, its not only the Albanian dictionary of 1635 that contained only 5000 words, other European dictionaries started with even less words. The oldest English dictionary was published in 1604 containing only 2543 words, and later on it was re-published several times, in 1607, 1613 and 1617 with more words added to it, but again reaching just above 3200 words (1), far less than four thousand words. And this in no way means that English was an under-developed language !!!










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(1) Robert Cawdrey's 1604 'A table alphabetical'

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Re: The Serbian forgeries

Post  Socio on Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:56 pm

ZEUS10 wrote:The eagle is the symbol of Zeus and two heads indicates east and west acording to very old tradition:
Zeus with the lightings---------------------------Albanian Eagle with the lightings



The above Albanian flag showing the Albanian eagle holding Zeus's thunderbolts was advertised internationally, as early as 1922, by the British Imperial tobbaco firm 'John Player & Sons. The advert also gives an introductory note on Albania:


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